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No More Child Support

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  1. Benjamin's father lost his job yesterday... and knowing his track record he won't be finding a new one anytime soon. Being an immigrant with some INS paperwork issues he will either a) have to work under the table or b) go back to Canada.

    Either way, looks like I am now short $400 every month.

    I had always planned on this happening and try not to rely on his money at all, keeping it as extra spending and saving money but still... it was nice to know it was there.

    Just wanted to vent.

    Anyone else have issues with this?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. I wish I did have this issue. Besides one $80 check nine years ago, I don't know what child support is.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. I'm so sorry to hear this. While I don't have the problem of "no" child support (usually), I always get "surprised" with how much he decided to pay. We had agreed on $800 a month which includes 1/2 her daycare costs. However, sometimes its $400 sometimes $500 and it's always always always a hassle getting it. It completely boggles my mind because he literally takes NO responsiblity as a father whatsoever except on Sunday's when he takes her to visit his parents for about 5 hours. He doesn't even call everyday. I'm finally at the point where I told him if I don't get the agreed upon amount from now on, I won't even discuss it I will go directly to the courts and file a child support order. Let them audit him and see what he should REALLY be paying (about $1200 a month as he is pretty financially secure). SO FRUSTRATING. Sorry this wasn't meant to be a venting post.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. christine
    Member

    that sucks. i've been separated from my husband since september and have not received any formal support whatsoever. he has given me money toward a new car seat for our youngest, and buys diapers and food here and there. but i don't get any sum of money from him on a monthly basis, and it's pretty frustrating. its also irritating because i know that a formal child support order really won't change the situation at all...most of his work is freelance, so there is no payroll or regular paycheck to garnish wages. i've known since we separated that i wouldn't be able to rely on him for any sort of support, but sometimes it really bothers me. that's why i'm stuck living at my mom's house indefinitely.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. prettymami
    Member

    I know exactly what you all are talking about. Just as everything else in single parenting, you'll find a way to get thru. Five years ago I began learning that his lack of financial responsability (or any other responsability at all) its not MY responsability. Yes, It made me angry, then mad, then it was frustrating and irritating. Now I have learned to make peace with it. My daughter and I are thriving (not easy, but definitely possible) And if you had already planned on this happening, girl, you're more than half way there.:)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. Like Rikki I have never received any child support for my two kids. When I was pregnant with my second, I already knew that I was more than likely going to be the sole supporter of her because of dad's inability to keep a job. It isn't easy but it is doable. I get upset sometimes and wish I was one of those single parents who had help from their baby daddy, but there is no point in dwelling on things that just aren't going to happen. Good luck MSM, I know you will be okay!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Although I'm not divorced (nor have I ever been married) and I do not have kids. I just wanted to share my perspective as a CHILD of divorce, who is now grown, and who has some memory of the conversation surrounding child support for ME. My dad was a good guy in terms of being loving and kind and adoring me to pieces. He was NOT a good guy, especially in my mom's eyes, in terms of being responsible, on time, respectful of her time, or good about keeping his word and making his payments. My parents were 19 when I was born and their marriage didn't last a year. My dad moved out of our apartment when I was 4 months old.

    As I was growing up, my mom always made a sincere effort to keep her negative feelings about my dad to herself. But children, as you all well know, notice everything. So I knew she didn't wasn't his biggest fan. I did not know, however, until I overheard her on the phone with a friend one day, that he never paid her a DIME of child support for most of my life.

    This wasn't information I was supposed to have, but I did. And when I found out, I remember feeling really sorry for him, and wanting to defend him. I knew he was broke, always switching jobs, never quite able to get his act together. I didn't understand, then, that adults made choices that led them to certain consequences. I just knew that my dad didn't have any money to give us. And my mom seemed to be getting us by just fine on her teacher's salary. So why was she pestering him? I probably even asked her about it and got upset with her response. I’m sure that was awful for her, but, of course, I had no idea at the time.

    I remember a few years later seeing some papers on her desk that I wasn't supposed to see. They were court documents, indicating that my mom was taking my dad in front of a judge to get some of these back-logged child support payments due to her. She’d never see thousands and thousands of dollars he SHOULD have paid, but maybe she could get some of it. When I saw the paperwork, I remember feeling upset with her for putting him in this position, not understanding the position HE had put HER in all those years. I think she eventually ended up getting a little money from him every month, but it wasn’t until I was much older, almost ready to go to college. And it was probably only $150 a month or something relatively useless like that.

    He also promised to make this all up to her by paying for half of my college education. Needless to say, by the time the first college bill was due, he didn’t have a penny to give to her.

    Now that I'm a grown woman who has to keep a job and pay bills, I can only begin to understand my mom's experience. She was a single mom, practically a baby herself, and she was trying to do it all. And the man who sent me birthday cards, called to hear my voice, and begged to see me for weeks at a time during the summer – the man who wanted to share the experience of being a parent with her - wasn't willing or able to help her financially. And he was sorry and he had excuses but none of that mattered to her when she was living paycheck to paycheck, trying to raise a kid by herself.

    I feel sad that they both had to go through any of that - that he couldn't just get himself together, and that she was in the position she was in. All I can say is that my mom is one of the strongest, most admirable people I've ever known. And my dad, today, is still sort of in the same situation. He has been married four times. He has trouble with his jobs, he doesn't have a lot of money, and he isn't terribly responsible.

    Again, I’m not married, never have been, and cannot imagine how challenging it can be to raise a child, let alone to do so without a partner. And I'm not saying that men cannot change, or that women are stronger or smarter. I am saying, though, from the perspective of a kid who grew up watching her single mom battle her less-than-stellar dad, that people show us who they are. We should believe them. And we shouldn't count on people when they have shown us they can't be counted on. It doesn't make them bad people, because life deals difference hands to everyone, but it will make US stronger when we lower our expectations of people who have never met them in the first place. Just my 50 cents on the matter. ;)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. Darcy
    Member

    I feel your pain!!!!

    When my ex and I separated, he was ordered to pay $834/month in support, plus cover the children under his health insurance. Then he “came off the spool”. By the time we went in front of the judge for the final hearing on custody and visitation, he was already $4000 in arrears. He then moved to Tennessee because he was an alcoholic and was struggling to function and keep a job. Various episodes later, he is in prison for two years – no job, no support.

    He is out now, but by now he is more than $36,000 in arrears. Of course, he feels terrible about this, while he goes scuba diving with his new girlfriend (who has four children and should have issues with this)!

    His actual words to me in an email were, “I want more than anything to be able to provide for my children. You can not possibly understand how humiliating this has been for me over the past few years to know that I have not been there for them.”

    Really? I call "Bullsh**"!

    Of course, he will only look for one type of job and will only look in a 25 mile radius from the new girlfriend.

    I choose to operate under the old adage – “That which does not kill me….”, but I know like so many other moms here that it sucks, big time!

    Jen-
    Thanks for your comments. They really do make me feel like the struggles will make me stronger. We are all living with my father now; while I do make decent money as a public school teacher, I choose to send my kids to Catholic school – small community, different attitude. That might need to change next year.

    Sometimes the kids ask why we can’t have our own house, or a new car, or a Wii, and I explain that Mommy just can’t pay for all of this on my own. I go out of my way to avoid blaming their father, but they know the situation. Once my son got upset with me because he felt I was blaming his dad, but I think it was just disappointment. I don’t know….I try….

    I love ya, MSM! Maybe you will make oooodles of money on your ebook. Maybe your career as a writer is just starting and you will be the next JK Rowling with more money than you know what to do with. We can all dream, can’t we??? :)

    Dang, I think I just wrote a book.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. I'm waiting for this day because I'm sure it's coming very soon. So far G's dad has been really good about giving me child support but I know that it's highly unlikely that this level of support will continue as G gets older so like you I am trying to only use the money he gives me as extras and savings, but it still sucks when your nest egg is no longer there and you aren't able to give your child all that you want to in spite of the fact that you're working as hard as you possibly can to give him everything you can. The only consolation that I can offer you is that from everything I've heard and read Benjamin will one day know and understand how hard you worked to give him such a great life.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. arscuore
    Member

    One of the first things I read when I dove into the self-help books post-divorce was that CS is like the last form of control your ex has on you. This author said that if you can afford to, refuse it.

    My ex doesn't pay that much, so I've never counted on it for much. We went for 3 months (April to July) without support this year because he couldn't fill out the paperwork correctly when he changed jobs, so I've lived with it, and I've lived without it. I'd like to get to a place where I can just deposit it into a college fund for my boy! Not there just yet.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. Maureen - thank you so much for those thoughts. You're right.

    Arscuore - yes, I have never relied on it, but lately being a full-time blogger (totally broke) I was definitely needing it. But in my state I think he can get arrested if he doesn't pay after a certain period of time.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. Darcy
    Member

    If Ohio is like Texas, he can be arrested, but it doesn't happen quickly. I have just finished calling the state Attorney General to send my ex his THIRD notice of delinquency; each one was mailed 30 days apart. Apparently, I had to be the one to initiate the process and keep following up.

    The next step is to start "enforcement" with threats of jail. Because he is in another state, he might not lose his driver's license like he would if he was still here. Since your ex might go back to Canada, I don't know what the courts would be able to do to help you.

    I am hoping that your situation improves -- I'm sending you positive thoughts!! Also wearing my necklace for "solidarity".

    My ex supposedly had an interview this week for a great job. I'm not holding my breath, but I can cross my fingers.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. mom23inmd
    Member

    Yep, I'm right there with you. My ex did something really stupid a few weeks ago ... he THOUGHT he had a new job in the bag, so he QUIT his old job before the new job was truly nailed down. Well guess what? The new job turned him down. And now he has no job. Not only has CS stopped, but so have his visits to the kids. It has been 5 weeks since he's seen them, and I have no idea when the next visit will happen.

    3 kids, increased preschool costs because the girls are going to be in pre-k now, kids want to take ballet and ice skating and fencing and swimming, and this Mom is now on her own to pay for everything. The kicker of it is, I remember my divorce attorney explaining very carefully to me that I may never turn him down for visits because he's not paying child support, because it is EASIER for him to get me thrown in jail for denying visitation than it is for me to get any action on him for not paying support.

    We live in a very screwed up system. Why is is suddenly ok for the father to stop paying support, even if he lost his job. If I lost my job, would it be ok for me to stop feeding the kids? Stop paying for the utilities that keep them warm? Nope, we mothers always have to find a way to make it work ... and these deadbeat dads come up with every excuse in the book to make it our problem, and not theirs.

    Whew, I feel a little bit better now that I've vented! Time to go retool my budget again ...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. arscuore
    Member

    Different states are better at enforcement than others. Get to know your laws. I found out that I could request an enforcement hearing after 1 month of not receiving support. If he were to not show at that hearing, a bench warrant would be issued for his arrest. Luckily, MI is tough on delinquent dads, and works well with other states to enforce (the ex is in NY). He didn't pay for 3 months, and is now paying arrears in addition to regular support, and he is hurting because it's taken directly out of his paycheck. Good thing he's living with his GF and her 3 kids, so they can support him!!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. @mom23 That is SO messed up

    @Darcy Trust me, won't be making a ton of money on the eBook anytime soon. Still haven't covered the cost of the $$$ I invested in producing it. But that's okay... I am still happy I wrote it and happy it's out there for all of you to have if you need it.

    @arscuore - my ex is also living with his GF and her son, I am sure she is now supporting him now that he's out of work. I used to do the same.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. Lisa
    Member

    Well, I feel your pain. V's dad hasn't had a job in 9 months and I'm doubtful of him finding one in the near future. I know the support I've received is coming from grandma. I'm grateful to her, but it bothers me that she is covering for her son. It just isn't right that she's shouldering the responsibility for him.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. Darcy
    Member

    Mom23-

    I have made that EXACT argument to my ex, but he doesn't seem to understand the logic. I swear, it must be nice to live in that little bubble of his....

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. Wow MSM sorry to highjack your thread but I just had my own "I should have known it was coming" moment with child support. Went to visit G's paternal grandparents today and if that isn't awkward enough usually they hand over the child support cheque...not this week! Of course this would happen in a week where I am totally and completely BROKE!!!!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. Helen
    Member

    Yup, I'm in that boat with you.

    My ex was paying CS and alimony while I was in school. In April he made one payment and hasn't paid a dime since. He's lost his job, his apt and is currently homeless. I went form not needing a job to needing to work as much as possible.

    YKW? I did it. I have 2 jobs. Last week I worked 51 hours. And we all have clean pants. lol

    Yesterday, I received my acceptance letter to the Dental Assistant program at my college. In one yr. I will not be dependent on child support ever again.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. Right now unfortunately for me I completely rely on my child and spousal support as I'm back in school full time to be able to get a job to support myself and my two children who live with me full time. Pretty much I'd be fairly screwed if he quit his job or got fired. I've got one year under my belt and I graduate next May and I keep my fingers crossed that he continues to keep his job until at least then. After that I should be able to put that money away and save it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. boarderccb
    Member

    I'm about to enter into this mess. My ex (never married) hasn't contacted us in 5 months. He only lives 25 minutes away. finally, last month, I started the CS process. He was subpeonaed last month. I received an email over the weekend that he never responded to the summons. Now we have to subpeona his employer and wait another month. Since my daughter's been born, he's bought maybe 2 packs of diapers and one can of formula. He has another child who he does pay child support for. I don't get it...doesn't he know that he's screwing himself here too? God!!! What's up with these losers? I want to know how they live with that kind of guilt.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. girlwomangoddess
    Member

    My ex is avoiding service all together. Child Support Enforcement can't "find" him, it's been three years so I no longer know where he lives, he is "self-employed" and the state has no record or any earning..... etc.

    My poor dd will never see a dime from her deadbeat dad! :(

    I am in school and writing which is enough for dd and I to get by but it's not easy. I am taking comfort that once I graduate I will be able to support dd and myself on my salary as a teacher.

    The system is a mess!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. Darcy
    Member

    I find so much comfort in this forum. I am going through my own personal hell myself right now, but I am hoping for some sort of vindication soon.

    Sending strength to all of you....

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. Dear MsSingleMama, I live in Ohio too, and it took CSE 15 YEARS to track down my ex in order to garnish his wages for support. Well, they had found him before, but everytime the garnishment was supposed to start, he would quit his job, move around, and then they would have to start all over again. However, never did they threaten him with any type of legal backlash. I have no idea why. Finally, he got a job he could not afford to quit, as he needed the healthcare coverage, they tracked him down, and over the course of a couple of years, got the $10,000 he owed me in arrears. Just in time to put braces on her teeth, buy her a car, pay for prom dresses and costumes for school drama productions. So, just don't count on the system, they don't work to fast or too well here in Ohio.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. Darcy
    Member

    Well, Tuesday I go back to court for a child-support modification hearing. He asked for the change because he's been unemployed for more than ten months. In the meantime, he has an I-phone and other "toys", courtesy of his girlfriend. My kids and I live with my dad; while it's great we have a place to call home, it always feels like it isn't "our" house. I struggle to make ends meet, even with a great job, and he goes scuba-diving....

    At this point, he owes more than $32,500 in CS, plus $9500 in insurance and $1300 in medical expenses for the last 3 1/2 years. Grand total more than $43,000. Not only that, his interest payment on CS is more than $150 per month.

    I don't know what to expect.... They could reduce it substantially (based on minimum wage guidelines) or leave it where it is.

    But, as my sister has said on numerous occasions, "It doesn't matter - you'll never see it."

    So, if you guys could just send positive energy my way, to help me stay strong while I have to see the man who can't and won't take care of his kids, I could really use it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. Darcy - come back and let me know what happens because we have our first arrearment (or whatever they're called) hearing in January. And I'm curious about what they'll say because my ex has also been unemployed for months...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Darcy
    Member

    Well, it didn't go in my favor this time around. He didn't show to the hearing, but he had a lawyer. I honestly feel like this was not fair, since he couldn't be questioned about how many jobs he had applied for or how he managed to support himself for nine months, among other issues. I had to testify under oath.

    Anyway, I was "awarded" $250/month for both children for CS, based on minimum wage guidelines.

    I also received $113 towards health insurance for the kids, even though I pay $293 (medical and dental). This is because TX law doesn't award anything over 9% of gross income for health insurance in CS issues.

    They think they did me a favor by forcing him to pay $250/month towards arrears, but that is money that is already owed to me for the last 3 1/2 years.

    This won't go back to court for the next two to three years, unless he decides to get a job and report his income (neither one is likely).

    Again, I doubt I'll see any of it. But now that the court has modified child support based on the fact that he's unemployed, he cannot use that as an excuse not to pay. If he doesn't follow through, then I am going after him for contempt of court. If he can't manage to take care of his children, he can go to jail. As far as I see it, I don't lose anything.

    He has broken so many promises to come and visit the kids, that they are starting to see him for what he is. What a crappy thing for a kid to realize...

    In the end though, I have two great kids. They are smart, kind, and beautiful; I am the luckiest mom in the world (even if I am an unlucky ex-wife).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. i feel sorry to hear that your X has lost his job and your child support of $400 has stopped.
    curve your unwanted expenditures and wish that he gets employed soon and your child support starts again. after all money does not unwanted for anyone.

    child custody modification

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. jenna.lang
    Member

    There are all kinds of financial resources for single moms. You just kinda have to know where to find them. I saw on the Today Show about a website, singlemomfinancialhelp.com, it's supposed to have all kinds of great resources. Might be worth a look.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. faerierealm
    Member

    My kids dad pays 300 a month for his other child with his 1st wife...when we were together for 7 years his checks only cleared 500/biweekly after taxes after c.s. was taken out. He only pays me 200/month-half the daycare cost. My attorney states I am entitled to 484.00 total based on the calculation. My fear is that if I go for an increase he will quit his job and go under the table (which he has contemplated because of his ex)...so I'm conflicted at this point, should I take the risk or keep what I have..the 200.00 really helps me, and I'd be broke without it. I was thinking of negotiating with him to continue the 200.00 per month, and I get to claim both kids every year for tax purposes as long as they are dependents...

    Posted 3 years ago #

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